Another point is that Vegeta did in fact hurt Perfect Cell. This is a recurrent theme, and Vegeta always trains accordingly, despite the fact that blowing away a large portion of Cell, just as Vegeta already did, was all Goku could do to Perfect Cell. He explicitly says "you were born with so much natural talent that no matter how much I trained, you were always a step above me" or something like that. Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube. Goku is actually stated to be stronger than Vegeta by Toppo. However, Vegeta is much better in fighting skills and attack creation. Vegeta never had the opportunity to train in this manner without having to use that water healing thing which takes forever to heal someone compared to a senzu. His obsession with becoming stronger than Goku over-shadowed his need to protect his family. Now, on to the part that matters: The fight with Omega Shenron. If Vegeta got anything from Babidi, it was simply this: An excuse. Now, when each of them trained in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber for a day (a year) each, they both were able to reach Ascended Super Saiyan transformations. We'll never know because he didn't even try. he's childish and naive, but pretty much anything he actually cares about learning about he becomes an expert in. First of all, Babidi didn't even make any promise to Vegeta about more power. New poster in this discussion. I'd argue Vegeta is stronger than Goku in SSJB, which would place him slightly above Frieza. Several times, Frieza did appear to be surprised or threatened by the magnitude of Vegeta's attacks. So here goes: Vegeta's stronger. Makes sense I suppose. Seriously, I think the creators just have a thing for humiliating Vegeta and giving him unrealistic "a-hole" traits instead of focusing on his better ones. The other issue that became apparent in the Cell saga is that Vegeta doesn't allow himself time to rest. Perhaps we'll see vegeta have something else too fromnwhen he was training with whis and goku was on earth Mistshadow, Apr 23, 2017. First, he used a Spirit Bomb, and he needed all the energy the people of Earth could give. One reason that I read recently was that in their initial training Vegeta was trained as a soldier, to slaughter weaker opponents, and fight in groups in order to serve Frieza. The reason that Goku became stronger than them is because Vegeta and Trunks' initial approach to getting stronger was just to try and pump more power into the Ssj form, which worked to a degree but resulted in an issue with muscle mass and the killing of speed as a result. When he first came to planet earth to find the Dragons Balls, he kicked Goku’s ass. As a final musing at the close of Dragonball Z, Goku's bountiful energy supplies have been a factor all along. Vegeta is also much more interesting as a character than Goku, his dynamic development and … I read somewhere that Akira Toriyama doesn't even like Vegeta, and that he only kept him alive and added as a recurring character due to fans. But nope, the writers decide to write that Vegeta is too arrogant to just kill Cell at Imperfect Form. As pointed out by Vegeta regarding Yakon's death, Goku has a natural talent or instinct of fighting that he'll never be able to get at. Oh, you mean that Tarble guy from... well, I would call it fan fiction. I believe it more had to do with control. Then, Frieza apparently changes his mind and deflects the attack instead. After the saga is over, he quickly deteriorates, discarding powerlevel for flirtations and academia. Now let's take a closer comparison from a comprehensive perspective. goku just gains some powerup that by luck keeps him ahead. The fishy part of the claim is that transformations of any kind don't appear to work that way. If it isn't Goku saving the day, it's his son(s). During the Frieza saga, Vegeta was able to gain multiple Zenkais due to battles against Zarbon, Recoome etc. Today I will be discussing and analyzing whether or not Majin Vegeta was actually stronger than SSJ2 Goku.Did Vegeta achieve Super Saiyan 2 before Majin? He also gained a Zenkai after recovering from when Captain Ginyu stole his body. Yet another case where Vegeta has a disadvatage not in raw powerlevel, but the ability to change into a higher transformation. Vegeta isn't, and never has been, weaker than Goku. While Vegeta arguably has the lead up until the Android Saga, Gohan is a tier above the Prince of Saiyans throughout the rest of Dragon Ball Z. He believed Goku had surpassed him, and he even tried to become more like Goku in an attempt to rectify this. The context is not talking about the current (DBZ) Gohan but a Gohan at his “maximum,” meaning, his best before the 7 year laziness… which was against perfect Cell. Could he have "done it right" as Gohan did? Currently, Vegeta should be stronger in the same form, and his SSBE is stronger than all of Goku's forms except MUI. He beats up Cell, and seems like he's finally going to save the day. Finally, at long last, Vegeta and Goku are in the same transformation! In the episode where Goku and Majin Vegeta fight, Vegeta tells Goku he let himself become susceptible to Babidi's magic because he knew he by himself was no match for Goku. I always see Vegeta going all out, but Goku conserving his strength. I would argue that even though Vegeta is far stronger in every way, that even Tien has way more skill in ki manipulation than Vegeta. Ultimate Gohan wrecks Majin Vegeta without missing a beat. With access to Kaioken, the Spirit Bomb, and the powerful Kamehameha Wave, Vegeta's power was clearly superior. We all know he trained under the legendary Turtle Hermit Master Roshi, who at one point was known as "the god of martial arts." "Now this is a power you ought to be afraid of." No matter how much Vegeta improved, Goku was always 2 steps ahead of him. Goku shows up (having conveniently trained on Yardrat and thus has increased power and the new instant transmission technique) and outclasses Trunks. That means that at least one of King Vegeta’s children, the most unlikely one as well, is stronger than one of Bardock’s children. I wonder how they separate themselves though? 1 Goku Isn't Stronger Than Jiren. In fact, Vegeta’s Super Saiyan forms are usually more powerful than Goku’s, but they are always developed after Goku's initial ascent. Indeed Vegeta gave it everything he had (quite literally) but it's still a good point for comparison because they shouldn't be that close with a transformation gap, unless Vegeta was a whole lot stronger. And I am NOT easily impressed these days! However, it ought to be so, since Goku once more has an advantage in transformations: Supersaiyan 3. Goku threw Cell a senzu bean, the babies had the powerlevel of Cell, and Cell got a Zenkai from that bean. This means that Goku was able to reach the maximum potential of the initial transformation, he was able to reach into all of its power. Technique can bridge power gaps. There is a difference, however, between turning a gnat into a fly, and turning a cat into a lion. This is what it took for Goku to defeat Frieza, even as a Supersaiyan. He does it all the time, testing new enemies and then finally going all out. So Vegeta should have the same affection for Trunks. Still, since both Goku and Vegeta have access to the same transformation, it should theoretically indicate who is stronger. That wasn't what happened in the Vegeta/Goku fight, proving that this was not an exponential increase. And let's not forget that later in this story arc, Goku himself establishes that the "dead" body (and Goku is dead at this time) has more endurance than a living one. Meanwhile, Goku was able to train in under 100 times normal gravity (something Vegeta had no access to at the time). So while Vegeta probably is stronger in a purely physical fight, Goku's focus and mastery over his ki (which is often fueled by his righteousness and virtue), and especially his ability to maintain his ki despite getting massively beaten down, is why he'll always beat Vegeta in the long run, Goku is also more willing to reflect on himself. But by the end of the series they are equal from their base forms through Super Saiyan 2. During the seven years of peace, Vegeta continued his gravity training. That would make the fight a cakewalk for Gotenks. From all of the points mentioned above, we get a conclusion that Goku is stronger than Vegeta in terms of power boosts and transformations. This also explains the muscular form "4.5" -- Frieza possessed the rather unique ability to shift his focus all along, and he was now all offense. 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